With all of the talk about the Red Sox getting into the bidding for Johan Santana, part of me kind of thought it was just their way of forcing the Yankees' hand and essentially making them throw Phillip Hughes into the deal. There may be more to it, however, because today Buster Olney is reporting that the Sox have upped their offer to the Twins to include Jacoby Ellsbury, who kind of seemed to be off limits before today: Then Buster hits us with this:With the Minnesota Twins insisting on center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury in any trade for pitcher Johan Santana, the Red Sox have altered their offer and have told the Twins they are willing to include the outfielder.
But sources say the Red Sox have also told the Twins they will not trade left-handed pitcher Jon Lester and Ellsbury together in the package they are offering.
The Yankees, meanwhile, have informed the Twins that they are going to pull their offer off the table soon -- perhaps by Tuesday at the latest -- unless they get an answer. The Yankees changed their offer on Friday, adding pitcher Phil Hughes after much internal debate, to go along with Melky Cabrera and a third prospect.The Yankees have to have the best offer on the table by far simply by including Hughes. I would think the Red Sox would have to go with Clay Buchholz AND Ellsbury with a third prospect to even come close to matching Hughes, Melky, third prospect. Since the Sox aren't even willing to party with Lester and Ellsbury, I'd say the Yankees are still firmly in the Santana derby lead.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
12-02-2007 @ 4:35PM
nickstoli said...
Um, with the money they collect from the luxury tax, why can't the Twins use it to sign Santana? Sure, players are overpaid, but owners are overpaid too.
Having said that, hell yeah, I trade Santana for Huges and Cabrera.
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12-02-2007 @ 4:43PM
richard said...
no way should the red sox give up ellsbury! His speed. hitting and defense will lead Miinesota to the top and seriously hurt the Red sos, even though Santana is great.
We forget Santana was 15-13 last year!
I would like to see the Red Sox get him but not at that cost!
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12-02-2007 @ 4:57PM
Dillon Anderson said...
Phil Hughes might be the best prospect offered in any of the deals that the Twins have received from either team, but the Twins should ask for Cano/Melky/3rd prospect instead. Bill S. should be going for potential position players stars. We have enough pitchers with plenty of talent to compete this year, even without Santana. Use the TWO draft picks we'll get from Hunter signing with the Angels to restock pitchers. Take the Ellsbury/Lowrie/Masterson now two fill two of the positions we currently have holes at now. Drafting pitchers in the next draft will replenish arms in the farm, which would allow the Twins to maybe trade one or two more this year for a 3rd basemen, which would be the only hole left after either NY or Boston trade. With the exception of short stop depending on how the Twins feel starting Alexi/Punto/or Harris there next year.
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12-02-2007 @ 5:04PM
NYRanger26 said...
Give them Cano?? If the Yankees trade Cano,they better get the batboy because that's what Canoe is worth.My deepest apologies to the Twins batboy.
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12-02-2007 @ 5:39PM
Billy said...
Now Yanks,, If the Redsox are willing to do Lester and Elsbury,,Let them and Pull out Now!!Santana Is Great no doubt about it,But Phil huhges and Melky I dont Like it,Its our future we are playing with!I believe the best of Phil Huhges is yet to be seen,And how sweet a story it would be to beat the Red sox in an ALDS with our own Home Grown!!
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12-02-2007 @ 6:28PM
pookiemang69 said...
No way Sox you shouldn't have even put him on the menue Ellsbury should remain in the nation. Santana is a great starter but god why would you do that. he helped us win the WS. If there not willing to take the first offer of Coco, lester and a 3rd prospect. F'um. Let the Yanks trade there future for 1 good pitcher but don't lose ours.
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12-02-2007 @ 7:27PM
numba1stunna74x said...
ELLSBURY DOESNT BELONG ON THE RED FLOPS..HE MUCH TOO GOOD A PLAYER TO PLAY WITH THOSE FREAKS
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12-02-2007 @ 8:13PM
BOB said...
First off, cano and melky together? Not going to happen in our lifetime. Melky is GOOD BUT CANO is a true budding star. If the price gets too steep, just suck it up and go with the youngsters. If the yanks gotta suck next year to get the kids experience, so be it!!!!
Second, let the twins keep santana. As the season goes on, the twins will pull the trigger, knowing at the end of the season, they will get nothing for santana.
Besides Pohlad is CHEAP and uses the Twins as a tax write-off.
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12-02-2007 @ 11:19PM
RedSox Fan said...
Well, Boston has just up'd the ante for Santana. It's being reported here in Boston that Jacoby Ellsbury has been thrown in the deal for a trade.
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12-03-2007 @ 12:14AM
Kagan said...
Obviously, someone like me is not privy to real discussions. But, I find it hard to believe that the Yankees HAD to include Hughes. The Twins are over a barrel here. They will not get as much out of a trade next year, as Santana will be up for a new contract. I think the Yankees could have offered Kennedy and Clippard, stuck to their guns, and still get the deal. Yanks are in a position of strength and they seem to be dealing from weakness, or showing their hand. I don't like it!
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12-03-2007 @ 6:06AM
Piching Ace said...
i read this in a blog on santana ordeal and i agree we cant trade hughes or kennedy or both not even melky
http://memotosteinbrenner.blogspot.com/
AND NOW Latest news :
from the Twins front office "any trade involving Johan Santana with the Yankee's MUST include Phil Hughes"
GO STICK IT!
see what you can in the open market, I say
We'll get Sabathia Next year who's comming into his own, and in my opinion not overworked or an old "29" and may have a brighter future than Santana? who knows?
Hey Johan this message is to you if you want to become a Yankee hey dont sign the paper hit the market in 2008!
because, I for one dont want this trade!
................And trade WHO??? ...Joba the phenom or Phil the next spector or steady Ian , no way! If he wants to become a Yankee he'll wait til 08 as F.A. There is something to be said about comradary and "The Big Three" as they're refered to as of now of Kennedy, Hughes and Joba even though Joba is a bit of a lone wolf renegade (All came up together!)
Ask Jeter, Posada, Pettite and Mariano!
I'd only trade Cano with Cabrera and Clipard and a few others minor league B+ type pitchers and or Austin Jackson or Tabata with maybee BLEEP maybee and try to entice Minnesota by eating the majority of contract! ... If this isn't good enough than "F" them
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12-03-2007 @ 11:19AM
Max of Vermont said...
Red Flops???? Seems to me the only ones flopping lately are the Yankees. Spend all those dollars for what? At least the Red sox are getting positive results for their money.
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12-03-2007 @ 6:23PM
numba1stunna74x said...
THERE IS NOTHING POSITIVE ABOUT 2-89 LOSER RED FLOP FANS
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12-07-2007 @ 7:23PM
slayer said...
if positive results is 2 championships in a hundred years great job,Douche.
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