The question in the headline is being asked by the New York Post and others today in light of the Mitchell Report. From Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte to Glenallen Hill and Denny Neagle, Yankees of all different pinstripes have been accused of using performance enhancing drugs during the team's long run on top of the American League East and the rest of baseball. Is that tainted now that they've been painted with the steroid brush? Not if you read anything in the report beyond the names of players accused of enhancing their performance. I'm not arguing any of these players didn't use steroids, mind you, just that the rabid focus on the names provided by the two witnesses who pretty much tumbled into Mitchell's lap like soused floozies at closing time at the local is missing the point. If you get beyond that and get to page 310 of the report, you'll find that Mitchell reports "the use of steroids in Major League Baseball was widespread."
If you're going to taint the Yankees, then you have to taint everything else in baseball during this time. No more or no less than any of the other teams and players in the league. You can't cherry pick the parts of the report you choose to believe. Either this was a systemic problem in Major League Baseball that hit every town from Atlanta to Seattle, maybe not Pittsburgh, or you reject it because all the new, circumstantial, evidence comes from hearsay provided by two men trying to stay out of jail. If you believe the former, as I do, the answer is about what baseball does now to fix it forever.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
12-14-2007 @ 1:54PM
Sports Bettor said...
You can't taint the Yankees. I HATE the NY Post.
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12-14-2007 @ 2:24PM
kevin said...
Not only they buy there world championship know they have to take steroids too. Win at all cause.
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12-14-2007 @ 2:25PM
Mark said...
Appreciating tainting, like a painting, is in the eyes of the beholder.
Anyone who is surprised that the "Sputtering Rocket" was on the juice obviously had their head up their own rear ends. Not many total wacks, let alone pitchers heave a broken bat back from where it came unless they have drugs impairing theri mental ability.
As for the rest, look at all of them and note the recurrent nagging injuries (in knoblochs case it was his brain that failed) so their are little surprises throughout the group.
So ae their victoies tainted? Only to those who think cheating is wrong. Otherwise, Yankee fans should be proud.
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12-14-2007 @ 2:25PM
oldpatfan said...
"You can't taint the Yankees."
The Yankees tainted themselves! We didn't make them take drugs and cheat.
My guess is that you're one of the people who say the Patriot's are cheaters and their SB wins are tainted because they filmed 8 plays in the game against the J E T S, who by the way, SHOULD take steroids because they suck.
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12-14-2007 @ 2:31PM
Jon said...
This is why the Mitchell Report was so stupid.
Folks, the only reason why the Yankees were targeted in the Mitchell Report is because the Yankee trainers were one of his limited sources.
No, the championships weren't tainted. Every single team had players that were juicing. It was one tainted team against another.
The problem isn't the tainted Yankees. It was the fact that Selig let every single team in the MLB become tainted.
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12-14-2007 @ 2:59PM
GET EVERYONE.. NOT JUST BARRY!!! said...
OK Jon:
So now, if the Yankees aren't tainted, then how is Barry tainted? If we can excuse the Yankees because "everyone's doing it" then why is Barry still and will be the most hated person in sports???
If the Yankees keep their rings, then Barry ought to get into the Hall of Fame. Period. If that's what you're saying then we are in agreeance.
And don't try to feed me the line about the indictment. I don't want to hear how he is different because of the Grand Jury thing.
He was "tainted" and targeted by the media well before that.
I can't believe you pathetic excuses for human beings can call yourselves objective and try to make it seem like Barry won't be singled out and made the scapegoat in this whole thing!!!
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12-14-2007 @ 3:18PM
David Day said...
Please, I am getting a headache reading some of the nonsense that has been going on since yesterday. First off, the Mitchell Report was a joke.They had no power to force players to talk. The only thing good to come out of this is the fact that it's now in the open and MLB/MLBPA/The owners and club officials now have to take responsibility for allowing this to go on for so long. Also, the Players themselves have to take their share of the blame for being totally ignorant and using if any of them did. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not saying that noone took the drugs. What I am saying is that how in the world can the commission name names without corraborating evidence along with the two sewer rats that only talked because they were forced into it by the Federal Gov't. If I was these players I would have my lawyer on their case so fast.#2, you have to be an idiot. You must have not listen to Sen. Mitchell when he said that every team was at fault, not just the Yankees. The only reason there were more Yankees was because of the guy who rolled over when he was busted worked for the Yankees. Personally, until I see corraborating evidence all these guys are innocent. If this was Iraq or Iran, they would probably be shot by now. Thank God your in America.
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12-14-2007 @ 3:26PM
Jon said...
"GET EVERYONE..." I never said anything about Barry. I'm sticking with the stance I held even during the Bonds allegations: you cannot, should not, absolutely must not oust somebody from the hall of fame based on something that you think might have happened.
Bonds may have used. Maybe he bought. But there's no proof that he ever used or abused. And that's only because Selig turned a blind eye and allowed these players to juice up without testing.
Bonds never failed a drug test. And no matter how overwhelming the evidence, he shouldn't be ousted from the hall of fame based on a hunch that nobody can conclusively prove.
It's not cheating if you don't get caught.
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12-14-2007 @ 3:33PM
Tom Burke said...
The trainer who flipped DID NOT WORK FOR THE YANKEES. He worked for the Mets. Clemens guy was his personal ball washer.
Doesn't anyone read before they write?
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12-14-2007 @ 3:41PM
Ed said...
Everything in baseball in the past 10-15 years is tainted in terms of INDIVIDUAL accomplishments. A team accomplishment like what the Yankees did, no. I agree that the Yankees appear targeted because one of the sources was inside the Yankee clubhouse. There are many more names to come that we haven't heard yet. Besides, many of the names in the report were 'passersby,' rather than guys who really played key roles in Yankee titles.
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12-14-2007 @ 3:47PM
David Day said...
First, Jon your wrong when you say its not cheating if you don't get caught. Your cheating the fans, the opposing teams,yourself and God. That is what is wrong with society today NO MORALS.Also, #9 Tom, the second guy who Flipped did work for the Yankees as an Assit. Strength Coach. He was also receiving a 2nd check from Roger Clemens to be his personal trainer. Radomsky worked for the Mets. Those are the facts.
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12-14-2007 @ 3:54PM
Ralph Garcia said...
Make your argument but you can't say that the original Yankee dynasty of 1920 to 1964 was tainted. Steroids was invented in 1954 from bovine as a human growth horomone given to children with drawfism. A year later it was determined that it ravished their vital organs and they got cancer. When Mantle came up in 1951 he was already very muscular from living the farm life, a healthy lifestyle, and the old fashioned hard work and workout ethic. Clemens was with the Yankees in 1999 and 2000. Pettite from 1996. If you take a look at the Yankees, they were overloaded with talent. Pettite is really a disappointment in the post season. Clemens is also not that great in the post season. If you look at the records, the Yankees would have won without them or other pitchers in their place. They were great teams despite these two cheaters. The Yankees won then because they were manufacturing runs with Scott Brosius, Paul o'Neill, Tino Martinez. It's something they need to go back to doing if they're going to win it all in 2008.
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12-14-2007 @ 4:25PM
Jon said...
David Day--I understand the idea of "moral code", but doesn't that same moral code also drive the fundamental American concept of "innocent before proven guilty?"
I know the evidence may be overwhelming that guys like Bonds and Clemens used steroids. But the majority of those accused of steroid usage are accused because of something somebody else said and not due to an actual positive drug test.
Therefore, it's not cheating unless you get caught, because we cannot prove that they are cheating unless they are caught. We can guess that Bonds or Clemens used, but we should not declare that until there is pure proof that they did. The way it sounds, while Mitchell claims that the players had every opportunity to defend themselves, it sounds to me that a lot of players are coming out and claiming that was not the case.
And if we deny any of these guys of a Hall of Fame bid because of something that nobody can physically prove, then we are doing a major injustice.
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12-14-2007 @ 4:48PM
David Day said...
Jon, I agree whole-heartedly with what you said within the context that you have explained. What I getting at was , I do not accuse them of cheating, but if they did, caught or not its still cheating, and I believe that is probably the closest we will be able to agree.OK.
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12-14-2007 @ 5:05PM
sam said...
Every thing is tainted. It is depressing. Delete their names from all baseball...just delete their names...and fire them all...PERIOD...everyone of them...blank them out with an asterisk and their initials at the bottom of the page. To hell with them all. I do not want to have to think about these cheaters. I want a clean team. You gonna play, you gonna play fair...play fair or pay the penalty: excommunication and annihalation.
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12-14-2007 @ 5:15PM
John said...
Somebody posted this..
"Not only they buy there world championship know they have to take steroids too. Win at all cause.
Not only is it a ridiculous statement. This person really needs to get an education.
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12-14-2007 @ 6:05PM
john said...
Don't you or anyone dare say anything about the Yankees past and history. I am sick and fkn tired of the Yankee bashing and all you mfkn Yankee haters who bash this strong dynasty filled with tradition and class. I am only going to make this point once.....The only thing steroids do is make you stronger....your hand-eye coordination actually gets poorer...It has nothing to do with throwing a curve or change up...it has nothing to do with manager moves...drafting...trades or the way a ball is misplayed....It has nothing to do with cut off throws ...double plays or getting an ice cold beer and hot dog...while we stretched in the 7th inning..........God bless the Babe..Joe ..Lou ..Yogi..Phil and all the other great ballplayers...Ted Williams could hit a fkn ball while he was fast asleep...Jackie Robinson could steal a base running backwards.....the game was played.....not lifted...bench pressed...or curled....no wrestling matches...or mixed marshall arts moves....or for even that....no quarterback sacks....I know that steroids also were supposed to give you that extra stamina....for what 9 fkn boring innings of baseball.....how did they affect a game?...let me tell you.....If Mickey Mantle took steroids the only difference would've been that his ball would've traveled 700 feet instead of 600 out of Tiger Stadium....LETS LEAVE THIS STEROID SHT ALONE
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12-14-2007 @ 6:15PM
Phil said...
You can't say the Yankees are any more tainted than anyone else.
The only reason more Yankees got named than anyone else is because 2 of the 3 sources that the report is based on are from New York. If a guy working in Gold's Gym outside Fenway talked there'd be a ton more Red Sox or if it was a guy from Chicago there would be a ton of White Sox and Cubs.
This is an incomplete list, to say it taints anything other than the entire game is ignorant.
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12-14-2007 @ 6:18PM
SB said...
Looking at the names on the list, there's no way the 1996 title could be tainted. The other three could be up for debate, but the 1996 title is absolutely clean.
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12-14-2007 @ 6:55PM
GET EVERYONE.. NOT JUST BARRY!!! said...
"If Mickey Mantle took steroids the only difference would've been that his ball would've traveled 700 feet instead of 600 out of Tiger Stadium....LETS LEAVE THIS STEROID SHT ALONE" by John
So, John, what say you about Barry Bonds and his Home Run record?
"Oh, now THAT'S DIFFERENT!" I can hear it now...
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