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It is amazing how people keep trying to diminish what the Pat's are doing. They're running up the score some weekends, then looking beatable the next (but, they remain undefeated). Spygate cheaters (8 plays at best, doing what every other team does). Coach doesn't shake hands without disrespecting opponent (stupid tradition anyway). Brady got someone pregnant (jeesh, only one. Wouldn't be noticed in NBA). Now this.

At least you metioned the weather issue. Mannning plays at least 50% of his games in a weather controlled environment. Brady was on pace to slaughter Mannings numbers until the miserable weather in Steeler's and Jet's games.

Plus, one could also argue Brady's numbers are better. Eight interceptions in 536 attempts ve Manning's 10 interceptions in 497 attempts. At least not throwing an interception puts your team in position to score via run or field goal.

And, speaking of scoring, the Pat's are 6 points away from beaking the single season scoring record. Putting points on the board helps your team win moreso than any other stat. So, keep your yard per attempt, and blah, blah, blah. Give me a QB which puts his team in position to score.

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Typical misplaced statistic maven from an average Colts fan who has lost sight of one vital stat.. The important thing to remember about the 2004 Superbowl is that the New England Patriots won it led by Tom Brady. The 2004 Colts, 12 wins, and 4 losses, lost in those playoffs to the same NE Patriots.
The overpaid Manning leads Brady in comercials and salary only. The stat that matters is number of Superbowls won.

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its pretty obvious brady has been padding his stats in the fourth quarter when they are already up by 40 and also throwing from 2 yards away from the endzone on a first down. Why manning 90% of the time will just hand it off in that situation and will be pulled out of the game when they are up by 20 something points in the fourth. Manning also played the first drive of his last two games that season too. so im pretty sure brady will get the record and manning will congradulate him becuase he is a class act

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Another myth. Brady pads his stats, while Manning played enough to give lead and then sat out. Colts 2004 scores: 49-14, 41-10, 41-9 (Manning threw TD with 3:16 to play), 51-24 (Manning threw TD with 2:06 to play). I wish some people would research before posting garbage.

But, Manning failed to show up in the big games in 04. Pat's and Brady beat them twice: 27-24 and 20-3.

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Correction, those are scores based on time into 4th quarter.

But, as the final scores with an insurmountable lead, it represents stat padding as you've defined it.

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In 1966 at the height of the Vietnam War, when Ara Parseghian's Notre Dame team traveled to Michigan State, they were greeted with signs that read "Hail Mary, full of grace, Notre Dame's in second place." It was the famous "tie one for the Gipper game," in which Notre Dame fought back to tie the score and took possesion in the final minutes needing to gain only about 40-yards to be in position for a game-winning field goal, but Parseghian chose to run down the clock and go for the tie.

Of course, because football is a game of warfare by proxy, the allegorical implications of Parseghian's decision vis-a-vis the US strategy in the Vietnam War were lost on no one.

The Giants are in a position to spoil the Patriots' perfect season next week, and the question has been raised whether the Giants have an obligation to try and DEFEAT the Patriots, or can they just rest next week, since their payday is already assured.

My, my, my, the more things change, the more they remain the same. Another protracted war with no end in sight, but that's morally acceptable to our leaders as long as the profits keep rollin' in.

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well im not arguing that the patriots had the overall better team when they won there superbowls every body knows that a good defense wins you championships, which the colts obviously didnt have.

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Every week a new preteneder comes along. The Cowboys will beat the Pat's. The Colt's will do it. Steeler's got where they want them.

Let's get real. The Giants have no shot regardless of how they play the game. Eli is error prone.

Next the Jag fans will show up. Anohter pretender in a long line of them.

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oldpatfan

each team in the NFL is full of amazing players and if they get fired up and play well together they can beat anybody, even the lowly dolphins can beat the patriots on any given day. is it unlikely yes but it could happen. so if i were you i wouldnt even listen to other people who would garruntee a win against your team and vice versa

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brady breaks the rcord or not--hes no manning and never will be---if he did not have bellicheat--he would be nowhere near the record---manning with any coach would be where he is---a coach on the field---Records? manning will own them all

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There's no way Peyton's 2004 season is better. Just look at their win loss records, that says it all. Better yet, compare Superbowl victories and well known recievers to your stats. The Pats obtained 3 with outstanding recievers like Deion Branch? Plus pampered Peyton would never have gotten that record if he actually played in the elements. So retarded bias columnist...maybe you should think before spewing your crap all over the computer screen.

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What do victories have to do with who had better stats? Victories are based off of defense, and if I remember correctly, the Colts had the 19th/20th scoring defense in 2004, which is why they lost four games. You people do know there is another side in football right? Hasn't Randy Moss also made Daunte Culpepper and Randall Cunningham look like mini Peytons?

Peyton does play in a dome, but if you use Adjusted yards per pass (which is a much better QB rating system; google it I suppose), Peyton had the better season very easily. I don't want to advertise any sites on here, but it is obvious who had the better year emprically.

It's been measured that on average an interception will cost one 45 yards of field position, and a touchdown +10 (because touchdowns are somewhat random and not all 40 yard passes end up being TDs, yet many 10/etc. yard passes do). Peyton's adjusted yard per pass was 9.25, Brady's is a little over 8.5 which is a huge difference.

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Just enjoy what your team is doing Patriot fans. Don't worry about what others say trying to belittle your team's acomplishments. Very few people outside of Boston like your coach or Randy Moss. People don't like the running up of the score and they don't like the spygate situation. You're not going to change that. Enjoy the era that you're in because it will end sometime and then you'll go through the down cycle that every team goes through. Then you'll get to find out who of your brotherhood is a real fan and who is a front runner. Isn't there something kinda cool about everybody hating you? Relax and enjoy it while it lasts.

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Forget adjusted yards and all that crap. A QB's job is to put the team in a position to score. Brady has done that better than any other QB in a given season. Scores win the game. Not yard per attempt. Not yards per whatever. Not rating system. The team with the most points wins. I never heard of a team getting bonus points for "most yards per attempt" or "best QB rating". Points on the board. End of story.

Since everyone likes to say the Pat's running game is their weakness, I guess the fact the the offense is about to set a new single season scoring record makes Brady an even better QB. He doesn't have a back the quality of Edgerrin James (the 2004 version). So, the setting the record in TD's scored on a "one dimensional" offense (Critics word, not mine) makes Beady all the better.

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yeah, yeah, Brady, I see it too.

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Where would Brady and the Pats be today without the extra help? Manning would have never had to endure the "can't win the big one" comments. Who knows if the Pats would have any rings, much less three?

I'm still waiting for Dungey, Cower, Gruden, and all the other coaches to come out and say eveybody cheats. For the media to say that everyone cheats is a slap in the face to those coaches who have accomplished less, honestly.

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What extra help? Give documented specific games and details of the cheating.

C'mon. List as many as you can.

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Your right. The 2007 Jets game was the first game the Pats ever cheated in. Everyone knows that.

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You threw it out there. Now answer it. Or, are you just another person talking in ignorance. What documented "help"?

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What! Are e going on heresay and speculation. You already said it only counts when other coaches say it. So, give documented evidence, not speculation.

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