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Marinelli Advises Smith to Stay Out of Trouble; Just Like Cherilus, Dizon, but Different

This is rich. Lions head coach Rod Marinelli has some advice for rookie third-round pick Kevin Smith. According to Pro Football Weekly:
... Marinelli had stressed to him numerous times following the draft and during rookie minicamps that he must stay out of trouble. Some teams red-flagged Smith as having a character question during the draft-evaluation process after Smith reportedly missed or chose to skip one team's scheduled private workout with him. Expect Marinelli's message for his rookies - to stay out of trouble - to be echoed throughout training camp.
Marinelli might want to also think about dropping this knowledge in February and March to coaches, scouts and front-office types as the Lions make draft preparations. Just a thought since the team's first-round pick, Gosder Cherilus, just received a year's probation after being charged with assault and battery in a bar fight while still in college, and second-rounder Jordan Dizon getting arrested for a DUI the week before the draft.

Maybe I'm reaching, but the 2008 Lions are starting to look a lot like the 2006 Bengals. Marvin Lewis, trying to chance the culture of ineptitude in Cincinnati, took a chance of players with "character issues," and the move would eventually blow up in his face. The Lions are very familiar with ineptitude, and maybe the 2008 draft is an example of how Marinelli plans to change that.

Sometimes these things work out (look at Dig Dug Jones!), sometimes you end up with Chris Henry and Odell Thurman. Detroit could go to a "we're only drafting guys with records from here on out" roster-building philosophy, but they'd still have Matt Millen, which is the biggest obstacle between the Lions and the "something other than laughingstock" label.

ESPNews Reports that NFL Suspends Chris Henry for the 2008 Season

ESPNews is reporting that former Bengals WR Chris Henry will be suspended for the 2008 season. Henry, who currently isn't on anyone's roster, was suspended for the first eight games of 2007 due to a variety of off-field incidents.

This is the second Bengals player that had been suspended in the past ... then let go from the team after the suspension was lifted ... to be suspended for the upcoming season. Odell Thurman got the same treatment when he was given a season-long suspension earlier this week.

Henry is currently on house arrest, even though he has lost his home. He was cut by the Bengals two months ago after a week-long run of weirdness ... which included assault, getting unruly in a club and getting arrested.

Again, Henry isn't signed with any team, so all this announcement does is keep any team from going after him. He is still "free" to sign with any team, but both parties will know that he cannot suit up until, at least, the 2009 season. Even then, you run the risk of his suspension getting extended and/or him getting into more trouble.

UPDATE: Word is that Henry's suspension could be lifted if he is acquitted of his latest run-in with the law, an assault of a Cincinnati man.

Odell Thurman's Suspension: One Year

Last week, it was revealed that ex-Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman violated the NFL's substance abuse policy and would be suspended indefinitely. Word has come down that the suspension will be for at least one season, causing him to miss the entire 2008 season.

This will be the third straight season that Thurman will miss. He was suspended for the 2006 season after violation the league's substance abuse policy (plus a drunk driving charge); the suspension was extended for the entire 2007 season after commish Roger Goodell gave Thurman's reinstatement the thumbs down.

He eventually was granted reinstatement this past April and seemed ready to get on with his football career. Less than a month later, however, the Bengals cut Thurman as he was mourning the loss of his grandmother.

At that time, the timing seemed a bit off. The team claimed that they had asked Thurman to be at a workout (he wasn't there) and they let him go. With him burying his grandmother, it did seem like a cold move. However, maybe the team knew about this missed test or positive test and went ahead and cut ties with him.

That could be the case since Thurman's agent seemed content with the Bengals explaination to releasing Thurman (most people felt that he had a good cause to file a greivance with the players association). Speculation grew that there may have been some you-don't-file-a-grievance-and-we-won't-rat-you-out-so-you-can-find-a-new-team agreement between the sides.

Odell Thurman Allegedly Fails Another Drug Test, Faces Indefinite NFL Suspension


On Saturday, I mentioned that Odell Thurman's NFL career might not yet be dead; the Raiders could be one of half-dozen (according to his agent) teams interested in the former Bengals linebacker.

Currently, that number has plummeted from 12 to zero in about the time it takes to say, "another failed test, Odell? Seriously?!?" From SI.com's Jim Trotter, via PFT:
Former Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman is facing an indefinite suspension after violating the league's substance abuse policy, a source with knowledge of the situation said today.
At this point, the story is more sad than ludicrous. Thurman's agent tells SI.com that "We have not been notified of that at this point. I have no knowledge", so I suppose there's still a chance the rumors are just that. History suggests otherwise, which means the 25-year-old Thurman's NFL career could be over after one season. Depressing.

Marvin Lewis sends his condolences, no doubt.

Odell Thurman's NFL Career Might Not Be Over Just Yet

Odell Thurman has been officially out of the NFL 12 days now, and hasn't played organized football since 2005. After the Bengals released him on May 19, and no other team claimed him on waivers, his career seemed to be over.

Maybe not. Thurman, who played middle linebacker during his one NFL season, was very productive. Not always in the right place, but his athleticism, many times, made up for missed assignments and blown coverages. Although some people think his best football is behind him, the list of doubters doesn't include the Raiders.

Or at least the Oakland Tribune's Jerry McDonald doesn't think it should. On Friday, Thurman's agent said he expected to have talks with "a half-dozen" teams next week, but wouldn't say which ones (my guess). McDonald gives four reasons why the team should consider Thurman, but this might be the most convincing:
Even though at 6-foot, 235 pounds, Thurman is similar in stature to Morrison and Howard, he is versatile enough to play anywhere. He played in the middle in Cincinnati, even though some consider the weak side to be the best place for him. If Thurman returns to something approximating his 2005 form at age 25, he is an upgrade whether he moves to the middle, with Morrison moving to the strong side, or plays the strong side himself.

The Raiders didn't hesitate in drafting running back Darren McFadden just because they had good running backs, so it makes no sense to pass on Thurman because you've already got two linebackers approximately the same size.
I still don't think it'll happen, but adding Thurman would go a long way in filling the void left by the league's angriest player.

Bengals THEN Certainly Affects the NOW

Head coach Marvin Lewis passed out t-shirts to his Bengals team with the word NOW plastered across the back. It is the latest in a line of slogans Lewis' brings out to try to unite his team. I'm not as giddy about these things as the next guy, but I do like the sentiment.

However, to even attempt to deal with the NOW, you must remember the THEN because, of course, it is greatly affecting the NOW.

THEN: Chad Johnson's spring of chatting his way out of Cincinnati has been a blackest cloud over the organization. He's threatened not to show up to anything and has spent his time being a horrible teammate. NOW: Well, he is eating up a lot of cap space, is a huge part of what the Bengals want to do on offense and will be a huge distraction if he is or isn't in camp.

THEN: TJ Houshmandzadeh tied for the NFL lead in receptions last season. NOW: He wants to get paid like it. This story goes almost hand-in-hand with the Chad Johnson one. Housh deserves to get his raise ... but how much? And will it drive a bigger wedge between the team and Ocho Cinco?

Marvin Lewis Has a Way With Words


In case this football thing doesn't work out -- and at the current rate, it's not looking good -- I'd suggest Marvin Lewis, in his next professional life, stay away from the public relations field, particularly any spokeperson-y type position. You'll understand why I feel this way momentarily. First, some background.

The Bengals released linebacker Odell Thurman on Monday, presumably because he had missed voluntary workouts to be with his ailing grandmother. After today's practice, the media looked to Lewis for clarification on the issue:
Q: Why did you waive Odell?
Lewis: "We made the statement, and Odell is no longer on this football team."

Q: The agent (Safarrah Lawson) said you told him that Odell had not been around enough. True?
Lewis: "That's not true."

Q: If that is not the truth, what is the truth?
Lewis: "I kind of said in the statement we're going without him. He has not played football in two years. And we have people who will be better for our football team."

Q: His representative (Lawson) told us that he wasn't around enough. Is that correct?
Lewis: "Not true."

Q: Lawson said he was disappointed that the Bengals waived Thurman right after his grandmother died.
Lewis: "His grandmother's been buried for quite a while. Don't get into his whole family structure. We've been patient enough with Odell, and he's no longer here. No big deal."

Bengals: Curse of the 2005 Draft Revisited

Just over one year ago, I wrote this about the horrible Bengals draft of 2005. In 2008, the Bengals have tried their best to wash their hands of that weekend ... and have seen five of the seven picks leave this season for various reasons. Two were flat out released; one retired due to injury; two were not tendered contracts.

Combined, these seven guys have played just 140 (out of a possible 448) games in the orange and black ... with Chris Henry (35) and Eric Ghiaciuc (32) the only ones to top twenty games. None played in all 16 games this past season -- only two played more than half the year. Three didn't suit up at all.

1st Round [#17]-David Pollack, LB, Georgia: Pollack had an unfortunate neck injury in Week 2 against the Browns in 2006. Despite trying to attempt a comeback, he retired earlier this year. He's played in just 16 games since being drafted. Status: Retired

2nd Round [#48]-Odell Thurman, LB, Georgia: Thurman was to be the focal point of the Bengals defense, before he was suspended for the first four games of the 2006 season for violating the league's substance abuse policy. A few weeks into the season, he was charged with OVI [operating a vehicle while impared]. Two days later, the league suspended him for the remainder of the season (the suspension would continue through 2007). He's played in just 16 games since being drafted and was released yesterday. Status: Released.

3rd Round [#83]-Chris Henry, WR, West Virginia: Look, we all know the deal here. He's a very productive player but can't stay out of his own way. He was suspended for Bengals' first 8 games of the 2007 season and could face a stiffer penalty if some recent off-field issues come back to bite him. He had played in 35 games for the Bengals before being released this offseason. Status: Released.

Thurman's Agent Says He Won't File Grievance Against Bengals

Even though the timing was suspect, linebacker Odell Thurman's agent told Cincinnati radio 1530 Homer's Mo Egger that they won't file a grievance with the union after the team cut him on Monday.

"Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown have been very supportive of Odell throughout his ... um ... suspension and his fight to get back. Um, and we're disappointed and I'm disappointed with the decision. But, ya know, with the generosity they've shown him I don't feel like it's our place to try and file a grievance or even complain. Because I can't say that's the only reason that he was terminated ... because he wasn't there for voluntary OTAs."


(PFT is saying that Thurman isn't ruling out filing a grievance).

It is interesting, to say the least. Local talk radio has been buzzing to why Thurman's representation would not file a grievance. He missed voluntary workouts (meaning he didn't have to be there) due to the passing of his grandmother; a woman who raised him since he was 10 years old. He's not the only Bengal player to not show up to these workouts ... and the only one who is dealing with the death of a family member.

Granted, a grievance wouldn't accomplish much. He would eventually be released anyway and now he can start looking for a new team.

Falcons Can't Take a Chance on Thurman

When Brian Van Gorder was the Georgia Bulldogs defensive coordinator, he had a very versatile weapon in linebacker Odell Thurman, a talented, if troubled linebacker who combined big plays and plenty of off-field problems. Now Van Gorder is the Falcons defensive coordinator, and he has the opportunity to take another chance on Thurman, who was released by the Bengals on Monday.

In some ways, it would seem to be the perfect marriage--Thurman would be coming home to a team who has his old college coach. And he'd immediately become one of the most talented members of a rebuilding defense.

With Van Gorder on staff, Atlanta has an edge in inside info on figuring out whether Thurman is worth taking a chance on. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution speculates on whether Thurman could be coming home.

If the team wasn't just getting out from under the Michael Vick era, they could maybe take a chance on a linebacker who could definitely improve the team's talent level. But this isn't a team who can add headaches, especially one who would be only a hundred or so miles from his hometown in Monticello--Thurman's problems seem to increase the closer he gets to home. There's a chance that Thurman will stay on the straight and narrow now that he's seen the possibility that his football career will end before it ever really got started, but Atlanta doesn't have the leeway to take that chance.

So expect to see draftee Curtis Lofton at middle linebacker this year, while Thurman will be causing ulcers elsewhere.
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