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Packers' Post-Favre Outlook Grim

By JIM ARMSTRONG,
AOL
Posted: 2008-07-16 04:10:11
Filed Under: NFL
Sports Commentary

By now, you’re sick and tired of this Brett Favre business. You’ve had it up to here with Brett-said, Ted-said. You couldn’t care less whether Favre plays again or rides off into a Mississippi sunset on his trusty tractor.


Fine. I hear you. It’s getting old rehashing the rhetoric and soaking in the spin. So let’s not go there anymore. Let’s take Favre out of the equation. Let’s move on, like the Packers want to do.

Or not.

Quick, Packer Nation, while there still may be time: Bring back Brett!

The problem with life after a Hall of Fame quarterback is that it’s seldom as pleasant as life with him. And the irony is, if any team should know, it’s the Packers.

Does anyone remember how wretched they were before Favre put the franchise back on the map? Their general manager, Ted Thompson, apparently doesn’t, so let me refresh his memory.

Another Hall of Fame quarterback, Bart Starr, retired before the 1972 season. In the 20 years that followed before Favre’s arrival, the Packers had four winning seasons. Four. In one five-year stretch, they finished 5-7-2, 6-8, 4-10, 5-9 and 4-10. In another five-year span, they finished 4-12, 5-9-1, 4-12, 10-6 and 6-10.

No, you haven’t stumbled across the Tampa Bay Bucs’ team page. That’s how sorry the Packers were in the post-Starr era. They couldn’t find a quarterback who could sustain any success, so they did the next-best thing: They hired Starr as head coach. Trouble was, he was too old to take any snaps.

When it comes to replacing Hall of Fame quarterbacks, the Packers’ experience is more the rule than the exception. Several other teams have struggled for years, if not decades, after losing icon QBs.

Take the case of the Kansas City Chiefs. Hall of Famer Len Dawson retired after the 1975 season. In the next five years, the Chiefs reeled off records of 5-9, 2-12, 4-12, 7-9 and 8-8. More than 25 years have passed since those days and still the Chiefs haven’t found a long-term solution to their quarterback problem.

They’ve tried everything. They’ve tried trades (Trent Green and Joe Montana), aging superstars (Montana and Warren Moon), stopgaps (Damon Huard and Dave Krieg) and draft choices (Todd Blackledge and Brodie Croyle). They even tried Elvis (Grbac). Each either failed to find success or didn’t stick around long enough to sustain it.

Or how about the Miami Dolphins? Talk about musical quarterbacks. They’ve had 11 different starters since Dan Marino’s retirement after the 1999 season. The best of the bunch? Green, the Chiefs’ best quarterback of the post-Dawson era, who was damaged goods by the time he arrived in Miami. Same with Daunte Culpepper.

The San Diego Chargers don’t have any issues at quarterback. Their starter, Philip Rivers, could be on the verge of stardom. Trouble is, it took them almost 20 years to find him. The Chargers after Hall of Famer Dan Fouts’ retirement went through quarterbacks like A-Rod goes through hanging curveballs.


The names Stan Humphries and Babe Laufenberg ring a bell? Or how about Jim McMahon or John Friesz or Mark Malone? The Bolts tried them all and many more after Fouts walked away, but none got it done.

Marino, of course, was a member of the storied Quarterback Class of ’83. So were two other Hall of Famers, John Elway and Jim Kelly. Have you noticed what has happened to their teams since they left? The Buffalo Bills have tried everyone from Doug Flutie to Drew Bledsoe to J.P. Losman, but still haven’t found a long-term answer at quarterback.

The Denver Broncos? They had won back-to-back Super Bowls when Elway retired after the 1998 season. They’ve had one playoff win since then, putting Mike Shanahan’s own Hall of Fame candidacy in question.

Shanahan hasn’t been able to win the big one, or many smaller ones, since Elway retired. And the Packers aren’t going to skip a beat with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback instead of Favre? They may think they’re not going to miss Favre, but history couldn’t disagree more.

Here’s the thing about Hall of Fame quarterbacks: They lull teams into a false sense of security. They make front offices and coaching staffs and fan bases believe they can be just as successful without them as they were with them. Trouble is, it was the Hall of Fame quarterback who was most responsible for that success. And when he’s gone, it’s virtually impossible to duplicate it until the next star quarterback arrives.

Which brings us back to Favre’s spat with the Packers’ front office. Memo to Packer fans near and far who wish Favre would just go away: Be careful what you ask for.

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Questions? Comments? Feel free to e-mail me at dontmissjim@aol.com. A few random excerpts from recent e-mails ...

Jim, Calling the U.S. Olympic hoops team Phi Slama Uncle Sama? That’s why readers love you, Jim. You are atop the sports writers food chain.

— Dan Merlin,

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Actually, I’m third behind Rick Reilly and Rick Reilly’s bartender.

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Jim Armstrong, I’ve been waiting for you to come back on Around the Horn and explain why you haven’t admitted you were wrong about the Celtics being no match for the Lakers. When do you plan on admitting you were wrong?

— matthewsj7@aol.com

Either the 11th or the 12th of Never. I haven’t decided yet. As for my latest fearless prediction, we’ll have a new president next year and the First Lady will change the wallpaper in the White House.

Jim, As a former resident of Milwaukee, I couldn’t agree with you more. CC Sabathia should put down roots and forget Chicago, New York or L.A. Great town, great people.

— CGBEHYMER@aol.com

And great brats. Who knew sausage could be an art form?

Great article on Javon Walker. It sends a much needed message. When will athletes and people in general wake up! This is an insane world.

— CMGINC49@aol.com

And it becomes even more insane when it’s 2 in the morning and champagne is flying around the room.

If Walker were a white athlete, would you have written as you wrote about him in your column?

— Odezni@aol.com

Yes, and thanks for asking.

Gas prices getting you down?

— CBP

No, I love stopping at the pump and dropping my daughter’s college fund. You figure I could talk her into a nice technical school?

Hi Jim, So what does the NL in N.L. West stand for? Ninety losses.

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Only 90 losses? At the rate those teams are going, that could win the division.

Jim Armstrong is a sports columnist for The Denver Post.

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greenngoldblood 04:58:17 PM Jul 24 2008

What doesn't make any sense to me is if the Packers think Rogers is better than Favre, then why are they afraid to let him go anywhere he wants? Obviously they are just covering their asses so he can't come back and kick them.

aschuellersss 03:47:46 PM Jul 17 2008

I have been a big fan of Brett Favre; he is an intelligent, motivated player and fun to watch. However, I am sick of the whole mess right now. Let him go if that's what he wants. The fact is, the Packers will have to face life without Brett this year or next. And Aaron Rodgers has put up respectable numbers in the few instances he has been able to play. We'll never know what he can (or can't) do.

jlpingelhome 01:10:40 AM Jul 17 2008

Brett was a great player! I think once players retire they should not be allowed to come back! Brett is too full of himself. It's almost August and the Packers have a planned team. Brett threatened to quit for how many years? Stop being a baby,Brett.You have sour grapes now.You should have thought about that before you made your decision to retire.Stop blaming everyone else!

kalwasinski 11:17:50 PM Jul 16 2008

hplc2218 . Thats a dume statment to make. Ther are plenty of average people forced to retire in the real world.

purehwjr2 10:40:44 PM Jul 16 2008

I hope Brett plays forever.........I'd watch him as a skeleton What a competitor!!!

bogahome4 10:13:19 PM Jul 16 2008

Tired of hearing about the BABY...BF...I agree he is not the GOD ya all make him out to be...prob a publicity stunt for him to retire...he made his choice...live with it....

mboland852 10:11:49 PM Jul 16 2008

drramsin...thanks for one of the few posts on here worth reading. :)

greatr 09:59:00 PM Jul 16 2008

You make it sound like Farve takes the Packers to the Super Bowl every year. GB was in the Super Bowl last Century. If Farve can't get them there in over a decade why do you think he can do it this year? I'm sick of hearing anything about this egotisitical A hole. He had an opportunity to take GB farther than he had in many years in 2007 and as usual tthe wrong throw at the wrong time and out of the play offs they went. My heroes don't cry and don't throw their friends and fellow football folks under the bus. He's selfishness and his ego renders him useless. By the way it didn't take the Chargers 20 years to replace Fouts(Fouts never went to the Super Bowl) but the Chargers did during the years after he retired (actually). The QB that took them to the Super Bowl seems like a replacement and there was a fellow named Brees until the GM decided on Rivers (who is no Brees) and will not ever be a top three QB in the league.

tootbuc1939 09:37:38 PM Jul 16 2008

I was just watching football bloopers. It was about the officials making bad calls. Mr. Favre goes up to a couple of officials and says "hey fellas, take 2 weeks off and don't come back." Maybe this jerk should take his own advice and put it to good use.

denim164 09:23:48 PM Jul 16 2008

Time for Brett to dry his tears on his crying towel and get a life after football.

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